Thread:StoryGirl83/@comment-4786757-20180202095127/@comment-3452092-20180203005810

To start with, I won't go. I told you I wouldn't and I won't. I know it may have sounded like that, but I was trying to leave as short a message on it as possible. I did try to make it clear that I specifically meant editing.

Here works for discussing this. I would have responded sooner, but I was busy watching my nephew.

As you may or may not have guessed, this is about Gogobell. I wrote out a much longer description twice and then didn't post it, because I didn't think it was a good idea and considering Gogobell was suddenly posting in our conversation, I feel like I made the right decision there.

I feel like Gogobell, who I guess used to be staff of some sort on the wikia, is taking over the wikia. It feels like he's railroading everyone, including you. Uniformity is great and all, but this is insane. He's making up the rules and implimenting them without getting any okay from you or anyone. He has a clear way he wants to do things and quite frankly I don't agree with him. I don't really care about the book pages. I don't do anything with them anyway. Sometimes I add chapter titles, but that's about it. I think the part about the trivia section is silly and unnecessarily difficult to follow, but I don't deal with that, so I don't care so much. The end result is just kind of there. It's no better or worse in my opinion.

It's a lot of work for a limited result, but hey, I put in a lot of work for what others might see as a limited result, too, which brings us to where I am having troubles here. And that's what he's done and plans to do to the walkthroughs. As you know that's basically my pet project and the entire reason I came to the wikia. I am extremely frustrated with some of the formatting job that the other people working on the walkthroughs have done, but at least they have been getting the walkthroughs up and it has always been my plan to go through and clean them up once they are all completed (or at least up to date).

Right now, I cringe every time I open a walkthrough. The spoiler warning image that Gogobell put at the top of the walkthroughs is difficult to look at and resisting the urge to remove it is too great a temptation especially when I am on my tablet and it takes up too much of the page and therefore makes the page, all the way to the bottom look extremely weird. I am already trying to figure out how to handle that same problem with the allies page, which I will be completing regardless of what happens next (although it's almost done, so that's not much of an issue), but the only way to solve the issue for the walkthroughs is to make the image much thinner. I hate it when websites have an image of that sort. I find it extremely unappealing and while the point is to be in your face, I really don't like anything where that is the entire point of its existance.

That is not the only issue I have with the walkthroughs formatting plan he has. The spoiler image was the second straw (the first was the take over more that seems to be going on and now he's asking you to make him an admin . . . please, don't. I don't know if it's even your choice since I don't know who can make someone an admin, but please don't. Maybe he's just over eager, but right now he just seems like he's railroading everyone). The third straw was the timed choices tag. I have tried, very, very hard to keep shouting out of the walkthroughs. Shouting being defined as all caps (other than in titles) and excessive bolding. This is what he wants to have for the timed choices: This is a TIMED choice!. Italics, I'm good with. I agree with. However, the shouting and exclamation point I can do with out. I think it needs to be a statement of fact not a shout. If anyone is reading that while they are playing that choice, they ran out of time anyway, so no need to yell at them. This is what I've been using. This is a timed choice.. I know it sounds like such a minor thing, but it bothers me.

I am now reading through the rest of it, which wasn't there the last time I read it. Diamond choices. He has it listed that something costing 20 diamonds should be listed this way: (20 Diamonds). With the exception of the first two Endless Summer walkthroughs, all of the walkthroughs (I think, I haven't actually done anything with #LoveHacks walkthroughs) put it this way: (20 💎) This is my preference. Actually, technically, my preference is (💎 20) since that's how it's listed in the game, but it's a lot easier to do it the other way when making them, so I planned to flip them when I went through clean up. This is not a deal breaker, but if we go with that, there will be a lot of changes to make. I can probably do them in about an hour, maybe less, but there are a lot of them.

Character Change. This is actually something I wanted to do, but didn't, because it wasn't on there and I had enough work getting the walkthroughs done. I had intented to ask for permission to do this at a point later on, once the guides were up to date and I have been keeping track of them in my notes. I can totally go through the walkthrough for The Rules of Engagement, Book 1 and put in almost all of the character changes right now. That's the book that got me keeping such careful track of them. I was already doing that with The Crown & The Flame, Book 1 since I'm making my own guides on my own website. I haven't put any up yet, because formatting is fun, but so worth it. I have a lot more I am doing with the walkthroughs on my site, because no one has the stuff I want, so I decided to make them myself. Specifically with The Crown & The Flame I am making an end of chapter list of what points you can get get in the chapter, what allies and significant choices you can get in the chapter and quite a bit more, including a lot more emoties to indicate things like significant choices, timed choies, and other things in addition to the words themselves. I am not using numbers for choices. Instead, I am including the line above the choice. This eliminates things like explaining what the name of an outfit is when the actual choice is "Buy this outfit!" or something like that.

I also have issues with the first two on his list of abbreviations, but at that point, that's me being picky about things I don't read. I don't know worldwide, but I almost never hear the word television. It's always TV. And I cringe when people leave out spaces after periods. I'm pretty sure it's LA, not L.A or L.A. or even L. A. (which wasn't suggested in his list not was LA), but again, I don't read the places that will have that and in the comments I don't have to care about his rules.

So that's all I can think of at the moment. There probably were other things, but it's been stressful watching this progress over the last couple of days and if things continue as they are, I figure I just have to conclude that my mission has been accomplished, even if not as complete as I want, it will get there which there was no sign of when I started. Now there are people working on walkthroughs. There are walkthroughs started for every single book that's currently out. Even if I stop editing, people will complete them. They won't look the way I want them to, but they will complete them. And I will redo the links to the guides on my user page so that I don't have to look at the spoiler warning. It won't help me on my tablet, since the problem the images create there will still be there, but at least I won't have to see it on my PC until such a point as I can complete my own guides and use them instead.

Oh, and the jumping into our conversation like that did not improve my opinion of him, especially when if felt like his whole point was to tell us, you're wrong to even be talking about this. I had seen his opinion elsewhere and chose not to reply, because as I stated in my reply to him, although his ideas are probably accurate, we weren't discussing what was probably going to happen, we were discussing what could happen if they were to try to include the main characters from It Lives In the Woods in a bigger way than seems probable. And while it's not probable, it's possible that they will try to do that. We just don't know. I was not happy when I saw one of his responses to someone on this topic where he wrote:

Gogobell wrote: Wait...I think you don't understand. There WON'T be two stories at once.

The It Lives In The Woods story is FINISHED. COMPLETED. OVER. THE END. That your MC lives doesn't matter at all, it can be Noah or it can be the MC, the only thing that matters is the shadow monster (that will come back) and that's it. Even if your MC lives, you won't be able to play with it in the next book. The story of your MC is over...whatever happened to him/her at the end.

All of the regular characters who their fates are determinant will NOT come back a lot...maybe a few cameos, a few flashbacks (for everyone) but that's it. Their story is over. The It Lives - Untitled Sequel will be with a BRAND NEW MC (for everyone), and a NEW BUNCH of characters (for everyone).

So DO NOT restart the book, it really won't matter.

In case you want to read the entire (short since the other user didn't reply to him) conversation: http://choices-stories-you-play.wikia.com/wiki/It_Lives_-_Untitled_Sequel#comm-13802

This is the thinking behind my statement. It is by no means finalized and I will still be on messages regardless of what I do with the editing. Sorry for all the complaints listed here, but in order for you to understand where I'm coming from, they do need to all be here, so there you have it. I am willing to compromise on some things